
We’re excited to present White Hinterland and Dosh at the Cactus Club in Milwaukee on Wednesday night. Get tickets here. We talked to Casey Dienel about her new album, the books she loves, and albums she’s excited about this year.
Let’s talk about the recording process of KAIROS? Where and how was it recorded, and were there any lessons learned towards future recording sessions?
KAIROS was recorded over the course of three or four months at Liophant Studios in North Portland. It’s located in the basement of Alexis Gideon’s house. The process was very different from how we’ve worked in the past because we didn’t do it at a studio. It started because I wanted to learn how to record and become more self-sufficient. At that point, I could only afford 2 weeks at a “real studio” and I knew that was not enough time to make the kind of record I wanted to make.
Our set up was simple. We made like Nas and used one microphone for everything. We treated Shawn’s field recordings and samples as instrumentation, splicing them with delay or playing them backwards to create harmonic underpinning. On some tracks there are chopped n’ screwed samples of my voice running beneath the verses. Alexis and I built the beats from the ground up, basing some of them off of these demos I made where I was beat-boxing. The beats stemmed from the melodies–it sounded like they were begging for them. As long as I follow the melody and give it whatever it needs, things tend to work themselves out.
The challenge was in the mixing. We used LO-FI methods to make a HI-FI record. Both Alexis and I were adamant that DIY doesn’t have to mean static noise and shoddy construction–you can make something worth $40 sound like a million bucks if you’re patient and log the hours.
We kept personnel down to the three of us. We did this so I could have clarity when building arrangements. It made everything more direct. We didn’t farm out ideas to other players, and it sounds crazy to me now, but I used to think that’s what you had to do to make things sound good. It was refreshing to learn how much you can do on your own, how much you can do with very little. In the future, I plan to record and produce this way again. I feel like we just scratched the surface.
I love the album art for KAIROS. How did that come to be?
I knew I wanted it to be a photograph as opposed to a painting, and I think Shawn or Daniel (the art director at Dead Oceans) suggested we look into double exposure based on the descriptors I was giving: filmy, diaphanous, feminine. I went to the San Francisco Aquarium and took a bunch of photos of the jellyfish bloom they have there for inspiration. Visually it made sense because they are free-form and translucent, and the way they move looks graceful and balletic.
In the past I might have said “no” to being on the cover…but for this record it felt right. So much of making KAIROS was about finding confidence: in my voice, as a duo w/ Shawn. I think we all agreed a human silhouette was needed. Shawn took the photograph of me at the bluffs in Portland, as well as the underwater shots at the zoo. The tanks there have a lot of glittery green, blue, and turquoise-y colors, which is where the second layer of the image comes from.
The internet has dramatically altered the way artists can reach an audience. With things like blogs/twitter/etc, what are your thoughts on the power of the internet in terms of keeping you connected with your audience?
Personally, I love how direct new media is. WH doesn’t have a manager, it’s all Shawn & I hashing it out as we go. I don’t think we could do this without the internet, it really breaks down the lines of communication, makes it more concise. When we’re touring, esp. it’s good to hear how it’s going on the other end. Was the show good for the people who paid $14 to get in that night? We don’t take those people for granted. I think it’s good for promoters to get insight into why someone who paid $14 might not be psyched to hear a band that didn’t get a sound check before they played. I also like when someone gives us tips on what to seek out in any given city–amazing places to eat or grocery stores to stock up on snacks.
I think it gets contentious whenever the subject of artist’s mystique comes up, but honestly I’ve never understood the romanticism about art being created in a vacuum, off in a wooded glen separate from society. That’s not the world Shawn & I live in, and it’s not how we work. The internet is where the work is, where it all gets done, and Shawn & I both like to work. He has a Tumblr and I have a food blog, we have a website and a sometimes functioning Myspace page. I post about music I like or things I’m cooking on Twitter. It’s also a nice way of getting the word out on stuff that we’re excited about that perhaps hasn’t gotten the love it deserves just yet. (I’m looking at you, Sam Buck Rosen!)
What’s on your bookself at the moment? Anything you’d like to recommend to our readers?
I’m going through a crime-thriller jag. My mother loves these books and loaned me a few, including Stieg Larsson’s The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo
and Tana French’s The Likeness
. I liked both of these very much, read through them waaaaaaay too quickly. I’ve also been reading a lot of M.F.K. Fisher. If you have not read her before, I would say try Serve It Forth (Art of Eating)
or The Gastronomical Me
, two very nice treatises on the pleasures of eating in the vein of Brillat-Savarin.
I really loved that you and Shawn listed your favorite things from last year on your website. Besides the new Erykah Badu record, what other music are you enjoying or looking forward to in 2010?
I am so excited for the day Return Of The Ankh
becomes a part of my record collection. So far this year I have been very entranced with records by Sade, Toro Y Moi, and Beach House. My friend Neal Morgan plays drums and sings on the new Joanna Newsom record
, and I have only heard a few songs but they were really beautiful. Neal’s record was another favorite of mine last year. I’m really looking forward to hearing the new M.I.A. and Sleigh Bells records. I just met Derek & Alexis a few weeks ago and heard Sleigh Bells for the first time and got that tingly-hot feeling I get whenever something feels right. Right now I have 4 tracks of theirs and they’re my crack. I need more.
We’re excited to have you in Milwaukee in a couple months with Dosh. Any chance of a collaboration between the two of you?
Dosh is remixing “No Logic” and I think I am going to write a song based off a sample of one of his songs. We’re excited to come to Milwaukee (never been!).
Buy: White Hinterland – Kairos
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Myspace: White Hinterland
MP3: White Hinterland – “Icarus”